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ĂŠn ĂśrĂźlĂśk, hogy ezt megirtad<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/2/2013 23:52, birofru wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Teljesen
politikamentesen ĂŠs a
bĹąncselekmĂŠny sĂşlya alĂłl senkit sem felmentve (ĂŠs
fĂźggetlenĂźl attĂłl, minek a
szimbĂłlumĂĄvĂĄ kezd vĂĄlni TiszabĹ neve) szeretnĂŠm
megjegyezni, hogy a
megĂĄllapĂtĂĄsod szerintem nagyon tĂĄvol van a mai magyar
valĂłsĂĄgtĂłl: "</span></font><font color="#1f497d"
face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">igazĂĄbĂłl a szociĂĄlis hĂĄlĂł elĂŠg erĹs
ahhoz, hogy valĂłdi
szegĂŠnysĂŠg nem megĂŠlhetĂŠsi nehĂŠzsĂŠg". </span></font><font
color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy">Milyen szociĂĄlis hĂĄlĂłrĂłl beszĂŠlĂźnk? Egy Gyesen
lĂŠvĹ egyedĂźlĂĄllĂł
szĂźlĹ havi bevĂŠtele 25.000 + 13-17.000 Ft/gyerek, az
ĂĄllĂĄskeresĂŠsi jĂĄradĂŠk
meglehetĹsen szigorĂş feltĂŠtelek mellett 90 napig jĂĄr a
korĂĄbbi bĂŠr (gyakran
minimĂĄlbĂŠr) 60%-a mĂŠrtĂŠkben (ha egyĂĄltalĂĄn bejelentett
munkĂĄja volt korĂĄbban),
a gyermekvĂŠdelmi ellĂĄtĂĄsok fontosak, de ĂĄltalĂĄban "csak"
termĂŠszetbeniek (nem jĂĄr pĂŠnzzel). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Az emlĂtett ĂŠs sok
hasonlĂł rĂŠgiĂłban az
aktĂv korĂşak tĂśbb mint 60%-a munkanĂŠlkĂźli. Nincs elĂŠg
ĂłvĂłdai fĂŠrĹhely, bĂślcsĹde
egyĂĄltalĂĄn nincs, tehĂĄt elĂŠg sok szĂźlĹ, ha lenne munka,
akkor sem tudna
dolgozni jĂĄrni. Az alapvetĹ ellĂĄtĂĄsok hiĂĄnyoznak - tĂśbbek
kĂśzĂśtt azok, melyek
hozzĂĄjĂĄrulhatnĂĄnak, hogy a szegĂŠnysĂŠg ĂŠs iskolĂĄzatlansĂĄg
ne termelje
folyamatosan Ăşjra magĂĄt. A lakossĂĄg zĂśme szakkĂŠpzetlen. Az
ilyen falvakban
igazĂĄn elkeserĂtĹ a helyzet - lĂĄthatja, aki ki mer szĂĄllni
az autĂłjĂĄbĂłl kĂśrĂźlnĂŠzni.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Nem tudom, hogy jĂśn
ide a telefon - vagy
van valamilyen bizonyĂtĂŠk arra, hogy a szegĂŠnyek inkĂĄbb
befizetik a
telefonszĂĄmlĂĄt, minthogy kenyeret vennĂŠnek? A
tapasztalatom inkĂĄbb ennek az
ellenkezĹje ĂŠs bevallom, nem olvasom a sztĂĄrolt szerzetes
(nem paradox ez
ĂśnmagĂĄban is?) ĂrĂĄsait. EgyĂŠbkĂŠnt aki nem tudja fizetni a
mobilszĂĄmlĂĄjĂĄt, az
szegĂŠny, hiszen az ma mĂĄr olyan alapszĂźksĂŠglet, mint a tb
kĂĄrtya: telefonon ĂŠr
el a munkaĂźgyi kĂśzponttĂłl az iskolĂĄn ĂŠs a gyerekvĂŠdelmisen
ĂĄt a vĂŠdĹnĹig
mindenki. SzĂĄmos helyen (pl. bank) szĂłba se ĂĄllnak veled,
ha nincs
telefonszĂĄmod. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">A szegĂŠnysĂŠg
kĂŠrdĂŠsĂŠhez a '80-as ĂŠvek
kĂśzepe Ăłta senki sem tudott ĂŠrdemben ĂŠs szakmailag adekvĂĄt
mĂłdon hozzĂĄnyĂşlni. A
mĂŠdia ĂŠs az adakozĂĄsi szokĂĄsok is azt mutatjĂĄk, hogy az
ĂĄtlag magyar polgĂĄr
szĂvesebben ad tĂĄvoli orszĂĄgok szegĂŠnyeinek megsegĂtĂŠsĂŠre,
mint honfitĂĄrsainak.
Ma hazĂĄnkban legalĂĄbb 40.000 gyerek ĂŠhezik ĂŠs mĂŠg legalĂĄbb
ugyanennyi ĂŠrintett
a minĹsĂŠgi ĂŠhezĂŠsben. A szegĂŠnysĂŠg - amibĹl szerintem csak
valĂłdi lĂŠtezik -
igenis megĂŠlhetĂŠsi nehĂŠzsĂŠg.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">ElnĂŠzĂŠst az offĂŠrt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">BirĂł Fruzsi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>CsikĂłs
MiklĂłs<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:21
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'KĂŠri
Gerzson'; 'LEV. LISTA'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Tajfutas] erdĹlopĂĄs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><font
color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">A
megĂŠlhetĂŠsi bĹąnĂśzĂŠs is bĹąnĂśzĂŠs. A bĹąnĂśs cselekedet nem
lesz erĂŠnyes attĂłl, hogy
valaki megĂŠlhetĂŠs miatt kĂśveti el. EgyĂŠbkĂŠnt biztosan nem
bĹkezĹąek a segĂŠlyek,
de igazĂĄbĂłl a szociĂĄlis hĂĄlĂł elĂŠg erĹs ahhoz, hogy valĂłdi
szegĂŠnysĂŠg nem
megĂŠlhetĂŠsi nehĂŠzsĂŠg. Ahogy Csaba testvĂŠr mondja; nem az a
szegĂŠny, aki nem
tudja kifizetni a mobilszĂĄmlĂĄjĂĄt.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
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color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Ădv.:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><font
color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">CsiMik<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><font
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>] <b><span
style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>KĂŠri
Gerzson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:01
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> LEV.
LISTA<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
[Tajfutas] erdĹlopĂĄs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">MikĂśzben
a hatĂłsĂĄgok a tĂĄjfutĂłktĂłl fĂŠltik az erdĹket,
a cikkben ismertetett mĂŠrvĹą kĂĄrokozĂĄsok
zavartalanul folytatĂłdhatnak.<br>
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2013. 03. 29. -<b><span style="font-weight:bold">
Egy egĂŠsz nyĂĄrfaerdĹnek lĂĄba
kĂŠlt a Szolnokhoz kĂśzeli TiszabĹ hatĂĄrĂĄban. </span></b>A
legelszomorĂtĂłbb
ebben, erdĂŠszek szerint mondhatni
megbocsĂĄthatatlan, hogy a tĂz ĂŠve telepĂtett
nyĂĄrfĂĄkat a tolvajok alig pĂĄr hĂłnap alatt vĂĄgtĂĄk
ki. MĂŠghozzĂĄ brutĂĄlis mĂłdon, a
fĂĄkat derĂŠk magassĂĄgban, jobbĂĄra kĂŠzzel
fĹąrĂŠszeltĂŠk el. ...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt"><font face="Times New Roman"
size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">A teljes cikk:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forestpress.hu/jie_hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25343&Itemid=1">http://forestpress.hu/jie_hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25343&Itemid=1</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Igaz, hogy TiszabĹ
jelenleg az orszĂĄg legszegĂŠnyebb telepĂźlĂŠse, tehĂĄt
lehet vĂŠdeni az elkĂśvetĹket,
a "megĂŠlhetĂŠsi bĹąnĂśzĂŠs" kifejezĂŠssel. Akkor viszont
nincs semmi
megoldĂĄs az erdĹk effĂŠle tĂśnkretĂŠtele ellen?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Ădv:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">KĂŠri Gerzson Ferenc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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