<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Boxi</div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">A terero a Zemplenben tok jo, csak kicsit draga.  Akik sokat jarnak a szlovak hatar kozeleben azok tudjak, hogy a szlovakok olyan erovel adnak, hogy mar 5-10 kilometerrel a hatar elott sokszor az ember telefonja atvalt a szlovak halozatra. Persze eletveszely eseten meg ez is jobb, mint semmi. Ugy egyebkent  teljesen egyetertek Veled - amikor Angliaban az edzo tanfolyamon a biztonsag kerdeset tanultuk, mindig figyelmeztettek, hogy soha ne hagyatkozzunk a mobil telefonra anelkul, hogy ki ne mentunk volna legalabb egyszer a terepre mobillal es probaltunk volna telefonalni.  Arrafele halal komolyan veszik a biztonsag kerdeset (lasd Dani
 levelet!) meg a felnotteknek is, nemhogy a gyerekeknek.</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">Julia</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div>  <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Bozán György <bozan.gyorgy@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> LISTA
 <tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 22:31<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Tajfutas] Fwd: Re:  Tajfutas] eltévedés, telefonszám<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv2140455601">
  

    
  
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      <div class="yiv2140455601moz-cite-prefix">Sajnos a mobiltelefon sem tökéletes
        megoldás. <br>
        Gánt és Kőhányás közötti műúton a kocsim kerekeit leeresztették
        (április 1-jén). Nem tudtam segítséget kérni, mert nem volt
        vétel. Életemet kockáztatva felmásztam a távvezeték
        oszlopára(!), de onnan sem sikerült telefonálnom. <br>
        Végül egy órát gyalogolva tök sötétben Csákvár határából tudtam
        hívni segítséget Bp-ről...<br>
        Milyen lehet akkor a térerő mondjuk a Zemplénben?<br>
        Boxi<br>
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        2012. 10. 10. 11:41 keltezéssel, Julianna Grant írta:<br>
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background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><span>Emlekszel arra az
              esetre amikor egy tatrai tajbringas versenyen egy par eve
              valaki leesett a bringajarol es ott halt meg. Tobben
              elbringaztak mellette, senki nem segitett neki es fiatal
              kora ellenere meghalt. Szoval, vannak esetek ahol nagyon
              hasznos lehetett volna a sip.  Ugyanakkor szerintem meg ha
              soha ilyen eset nem is lett volna, akkor is fontos, mert
              ha a lehetosege megvan annak, hogy segitsen a sip, akkor
              hordjuk.  En mikor elkezdtem tajfutni itthon hordtam egy
              jo darabig a sipot (megszokasbol) aztan rajottem, hogy
              kar, mert ha elkezdenek sipolni valahol egy szakadek
              melyen, ugyse tudna senki, hogy mit jelent.</span></div>
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                  <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                  Marosffy Dániel <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv2140455601moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:Marosffy@interface.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Marosffy@interface.hu"><Marosffy@interface.hu></a><br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                  LEVLISTA <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv2140455601moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu"><tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu></a>
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                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                  Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 8:19<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                  Re: [Tajfutas] Tajfutas] eltévedés, telefonszám<br>
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                    engem csak úgy engedtek ki a pályára, ha vittem
                    (vettem) sípot. Kicsit viccesnek találtam, de a
                    szabály az szabály... Ezzel nem arra célzok, hogy jó
                    lenne itthon is bevezetni, de tény, hogy van ilyen.<br>
                    <br>
                    Amúgy történt már akár egyetlen olyan baleset,
                    amikor a késlekedés kritikus volt? Vagy hogy végleg
                    elveszett valaki? <br>
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                    D.<br>
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                      <div style="direction:ltr;" id="yiv2140455601divRpF317315"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Feladó:</b>
                          <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv2140455601moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>
                          [<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv2140455601moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu">tajfutas-bounces@lazarus.elte.hu</a>]
                          ; meghatalmazó: Tóth Károly [<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv2140455601moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:toth.karoly1@upcmail.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:toth.karoly1@upcmail.hu">toth.karoly1@upcmail.hu</a>]<br>
                          <b>Küldve:</b> 2012. október 9. 22:30<br>
                          <b>Címzett:</b> LEVLISTA; Vida Istvan<br>
                          <b>Tárgy:</b> Re: [Tajfutas] Tajfutas]
                          eltévedés, telefonszám<br>
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                        <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Nevetségesen
                            hangzik, de kb. 5éve  a svájci hatnaposon
                            minden nevező kapott egy sípot, amit
                            kötelezően ki kellett vinnie a pályára. A
                            terep nem volt veszélyes, ami problémát
                            okozhatott, a rengeteg, balesetveszélyes kő.</font></div>
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                        <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Tóth  K.</font></div>
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                            Message ----- </div>
                          <div style="background:#e4e4e4;font:10pt arial;"><b>From:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vipisti@vipmail.hu" ymailto="mailto:vipisti@vipmail.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vipisti@vipmail.hu"> Vida
                              Istvan</a> </div>
                          <div style="font:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu" ymailto="mailto:tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu" target="_blank" href="mailto:tajfutas@lazarus.elte.hu">
                              LEVLISTA</a> </div>
                          <div style="font:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
                            Tuesday, October 09, 2012 9:46 AM</div>
                          <div style="font:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
                            [Tajfutas] Tajfutas] eltévedés, telefonszám</div>
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                              A NYAKBA AKASZTOTT SÍP,  MEGFÚJVA, azokon
                              a "nyúlfarknyi" pályákon elhallatszik a
                              CÉLIG!!<br>
                              Van olyan ország, ahol 14 éves korig
                              kötelező magukkal vinni! Vének
                              öntevékenyen vigyenek magukkal!  :-)
                              (sípot és nem GPS-es telefont!)<br>
                              <br>
                               ViPi<br>
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                              <blockquote style="padding-left:10px;margin-left:5px;border-left:#6497ce 2px solid;margin-right:0px;"> -- Eredeti
                                üzenet --<br>
                                <div style=""><b>Feladó:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:miklos.mets@gmail.com%3E" target="_blank" href="mailto:miklos.mets@gmail.com%3E">
                                    miklos mets
                                    <miklos.mets@gmail.com></a></div>
                                <div><b>Címzett: </b><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:z.szlavik@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:z.szlavik@gmail.com">Zoltan

                                    Szlavik <z.szlavik@gmail.com></a></div>
                                <div><b>Elküldve:</b> 2012. október 8.
                                  17:16</div>
                                <div><b>Tárgy : </b>Re: [Tajfutas]
                                  eltévedés, telefonszám</div>
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                                <div class="yiv2140455601bg" id="yiv2140455601divMessageBody" style="height:auto;">Kka, erre vártam
                                  :-)<br>
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                                  szabályzat szerint nem lehet
                                  mobiltelefont kivinni, (kiv mobilO) de
                                  én már elkezdtem azon gondolkozni,
                                  hogy mondjuk a 70 feletti indulóknak
                                  adjunk GPS-es nyomkövezőt. Akár egy
                                  szobából lehet valami "felügyeletet"
                                  biztosítani,<br>
                                  MM<br>
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                                  <div class="yiv2140455601gmail_quote">2012.

                                    október 8. 17:08 Zoltan Szlavik
                                    írta, <span dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:z.szlavik@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:z.szlavik@gmail.com">z.szlavik@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="yiv2140455601gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid;"> Igen, 2004 óta ajánljuk a
                                      mobilhasználatot az erdőben, nevet
                                      is adtunk neki: Mobile-O vagy
                                      mobilos tájfutás... :) zka
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                                          <div class="yiv2140455601gmail_quote">2012/10/8

                                            Balázsné Krasznai Orsolya <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bakrorsi@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bakrorsi@gmail.com">bakrorsi@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                            <blockquote class="yiv2140455601gmail_quote" style="padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid;"> Sziasztok!<br>
                                              Szerintem nagyon jó ötlet
                                              a mobilhasználat az
                                              erdőben(persze,ha van
                                              térerő)!<br>
                                              Tényleg megvoltunk telefon
                                              nélkül a pályán, de ha már
                                              adott a lehetőség, ki
                                              lehetne használni.<br>
                                              A szeniorok esetleges
                                              egészségi állapotuk miatt
                                              érezhetik nagyobb
                                              biztonságban magukat, de
                                              komoly segítség lehet a
                                              kezdőknél is. Nem csak a
                                              gyereknek jó érzés, ha
                                              tudja, hogy tud segítséget
                                              kérni, ha elveszett, hanem
                                              annak is, aki őt várja.
                                              Aki állt már a célban
                                              egy-két órát az erdőt
                                              lesve, mikor bukkan fel a
                                              gyerek, tudja, mire
                                              gondolok.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              K.O.<br>
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                                              <div class="yiv2140455601gmail_quote">2012.

                                                október 8. 14:34 péter
                                                kovács írta, <span dir="ltr"> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kovacsp969@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kovacsp969@gmail.com">kovacsp969@gmail.com</a>></span>:
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                                                      <div>Egyébként a
                                                        versenyszabályzatunk
                                                        mennyire
                                                        megengedő a
                                                        mobiltelefonokkal
                                                        kapcsolatban?</div>
                                                      <div>Valamelyik
                                                        korábbi
                                                        szabályzat
                                                        (talán a VB
                                                        szabályzat) még
                                                        arra is kitért,
                                                        hogy csak egy
                                                        tájolót vihetsz
                                                        magaddal, a
                                                        mostani pedig
                                                        tiltja pl. a
                                                        GPS-t (gyanítom,
                                                        hogy a mobilt
                                                        is).</div>
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                                                      <div> Az elmúlt 50
                                                        évben valahogy
                                                        megvoltak a
                                                        pályán mobil
                                                        nélkül a
                                                        tájfutók, és
                                                        annak hiányában
                                                        sem vesztek oda
                                                        tömegesen az
                                                        erdőben, de én
                                                        sem vitatom,
                                                        hogy sokaknak
                                                        biztonságérzetet
                                                        ad a zsebben
                                                        tartott mobil.</div>
                                                      <div>Mindenesetre
                                                        mielőtt
                                                        tömegesen
                                                        elterjedne,
                                                        érdemes lenne a
                                                        szabályzatot és
                                                        a
                                                        mobilhasználatot
                                                        összehangolni.</div>
                                                      <div>Lehet, hogy
                                                        ez lesz az a
                                                        pont, ahol az
                                                        élsport és a
                                                        tömegsport
                                                        markánsan
                                                        elválik
                                                        egymástól? (Pl.
                                                        elitben nem
                                                        lehet, a
                                                        többiben lehet)</div>
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                                                      <div>Tudom, hogy
                                                        segélykérésről
                                                        szól az eredeti
                                                        felvetés, de nem
                                                        tudom, ezt
                                                        hogyan lehet
                                                        majd
                                                        ellenőrizni?</div>
                                                      <div>(Ha kell
                                                        egyáltalán, vagy
                                                        bízzuk
                                                        mindenkinek a
                                                        becsületére)</div>
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                                                      <div>Pl. a POCSB-n
                                                        nagy lehet a
                                                        kísértés egy
                                                        "kis segítséget"
                                                        kérni, de az már
                                                        egy másik
                                                        sportág lenne:</div>
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                                                      <div>   P</div>
                                                      <div>MOBILE</div>
                                                      <div>  CS<br>
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                                                      <div>   B </div>
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                                                          A telefon
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                                                          elhelyezésére
                                                          az alábbi, jól
                                                          bevált
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                                                          tudom ajánlani
                                                          (bár én inkább
                                                          edzésen
                                                          használom ezt
                                                          és nem
                                                          versenyen):<br>
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                                                          Kerékpáros
                                                          trikót húzok
                                                          felülre,
                                                          aminek nagy
                                                          hátsó zsebei
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                                                          telefont,
                                                          igazolványokat,
                                                          szőlőcukrot,
                                                          stb.<br>
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                                                          A trikót
                                                          ezután be kell
                                                          tűrni a nadrág
                                                          alá, így a
                                                          nadrág
                                                          leszorítja a
                                                          trikó
                                                          zsebeinek a
                                                          tartalmát, így
                                                          azok nem
                                                          rázkódnak a
                                                          futás közben.<br>
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                                                          Ez az
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                                                          TÖRÖK Imre<br>
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